tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.comments2022-04-08T13:19:25.119-05:00Miskatonal StudiesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-34279830335819721642020-07-18T16:57:35.491-05:002020-07-18T16:57:35.491-05:00The example using "Mary Had a Little Lamb&quo...The example using "Mary Had a Little Lamb" illustrates my point, but for a serious arrangement in Locrian, you might want to change up the tune somewhat, and use other chords, but still return home to Locrian.Mike Strandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197134631973906505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-4324652570339434002020-07-07T10:46:46.339-05:002020-07-07T10:46:46.339-05:00Why is writing in Locrian mode considered so diffi...Why is writing in Locrian mode considered so difficult? Consider the tune for "Mary Had a Little Lamb". <br /><br />1. To write it in B-Ionian (major), a simple way is to play the tune using the notes d#, c#, b, and f#, and accompany the tune appropriately with the B-major and F#-major chords, ending the tune with note b and chord B-major.<br /><br />2. To write it in B-Aeolian (minor), a simple way is to play the tune with the notes d, c#, b, and f#, and accompany this sadder tune appropriately with the B-minor and F#-minor chords, ending the tune with note b on B-minor.<br /><br />3. To write the tune in B-Locrian, a simple way is to play the tune using the notes d, c, b, and f, and accompany this surreal, sad tune appropriately with the B-Locrian (e.g. B-D-F-A) and F major7 (e.g., F-A-C-E) chords.<br /><br />If the first arrangement of "Mary Had a Little Lamb" is considered to be in the key B-major, and the second in the key of B-minor, we may consider the third arrangement to be in the key of B-Locrian. <br /><br />Our so-called major and minor key compositions (e.g. Beethoven's Appassionata sonata in F minor) may spend quite a bit of time in other keys, but are considered to have a home key or tonality. By analogy, we may compose a piece in a Locrian key that is considered the home key or tonality of the piece, that spends time in other keys or modes. Now, this unusual musical home may sound uncomfortable, restless, or unresolved. But so what? Like much of real life, right?<br /><br />Now we can move on to writing "You Are my Sunshine", and maybe even new tunes and larger compositions, in Locrian mode viewed as "home" key.<br /><br />Björk's 1995 hit tune "Army of Me" is considered to be in home key of C-Locrian. My new rock tune "Wait It Out" is in B-Locrian. Here's the link to "Wait It Out": https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/wait-it-out-rock-version-digital-sheet-music/21756181<br /><br />Ending progressions using 3-note chords can be done by analogy: Instead of C#m, F#, B to end on B-major, use C, F, Bdim to end on B-Locrian. If you like to use 4-chords, use Cmaj7, Fmaj7, Bm7(b5) to end on B-Locrian. Yes, it sounds surreal and sad. That's the whole point to using Locrian mode!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Mike Strandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197134631973906505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-65685624923055177182019-12-18T02:10:25.722-06:002019-12-18T02:10:25.722-06:00Thank you for some other informative blog. Where e...Thank you for some other informative blog. Where else could I get that type of information written in such an ideal means? I have a mission that I’m just now working on, and I have been at the look out for such information. <a href="https://iranians.global/" rel="nofollow">Persian music</a>seo masterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01720414257693046878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-81778847242406237712014-10-18T20:05:49.460-05:002014-10-18T20:05:49.460-05:00We will be unveiling our commercially available ch...We will be unveiling our commercially available chromatic keyboard at the next NAMM show. Our website is:<br /><br />www.lippenskeyboard.com<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-1775222848523209282013-01-20T12:49:24.147-06:002013-01-20T12:49:24.147-06:00www.microtonalismo.comwww.microtonalismo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-30248722814514721792011-07-22T04:53:07.494-05:002011-07-22T04:53:07.494-05:00When I worked at McCabe's in LA I once met som...When I worked at McCabe's in LA I once met some displaced Iranian musicians. I asked one older fellow to explain the dastgah, he responded by saying "The dastgah is your life !". So there ya go. :)Dave Phillipshttp://linux-sound.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-59185555321259296432011-06-28T08:53:46.165-05:002011-06-28T08:53:46.165-05:00Excellent information, Jacques; thank you!
I'...Excellent information, Jacques; thank you!<br /><br />I'm aware this sort of math was known to theoreticians such as Ptolemy, Farabi, Avicenna, etc., but especially with regard to the Middle Eastern traditions, I'm under the impression that such theory was rarely put into practice (see my previous post on Persian dastgah). I'm less familiar with Hindustani/Carnatic traditions beyond a basic concept of srutis, but what I do know is there has been much contention on the actual nature of their tuning, and there is not likely to be a consensus any time soon. I likewise have only a basic knowledge of slendro and pelog, though I would dispute that they are known with certainty as being the oldest on the planet; from what I have read on the Internet (so it must be true!), a set of ancient Chinese flutes are the oldest confirmed musical artifact, and their scales are straight diatonic, and likewise a possible but unconfirmed section of a prehistoric bone flute has holes that strongly suggest a diatonic scale.<br /><br />While of course I don't consider any one source definitive, I have found David B. Doty's book "The Just Intonation Primer" exceedingly helpful. Doty details usages of primes through and beyond 19, though from 19 onward he questions their usefulness. I would not be surprised that primes through 13 are pretty standard within the JI world, but 5-limit seems like the most common (and ideal) introduction to these concepts for a musician born and raised in 12-TET.Jay Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175160982263070325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-11695954494841201932011-06-28T04:53:49.378-05:002011-06-28T04:53:49.378-05:00Just intonation is old as the world and 13-limit s...Just intonation is old as the world and 13-limit scales models were known by the persians, greeks, and others for thousands of years. There is no way to escape the 13/8, 13/12, 16/13 ratios, etc. in arabian, turkish or persian music.<br />7th harmonic in combination with 3th harmonic proposes the most basic models for Slendro tunings, known as the oldest scales we know on Earth, as well as many Aka/Baka tunings.<br />17th and 19th harmonics ratios are completely pertinent in many european music cultures, indian and gypsy music.<br />Extended JI "as passed 5-limit" is less and less recognized as a standard in the JI world today. For many extended JI starts passed 13-limit and for more and more it starts passed 19-limit, at least.Jacques Dudonhttp://aeh.free.frnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-50037817260428800482011-06-27T16:35:50.462-05:002011-06-27T16:35:50.462-05:00Madness! ;-)Madness! ;-)Jay Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175160982263070325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-88343413933851647972011-06-27T16:33:19.006-05:002011-06-27T16:33:19.006-05:00Not only are 3 and 5 sometimes excluded, some peop...Not only are 3 and 5 sometimes excluded, some people love to exclude 2.Gene Ward Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10283709324380558714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-91278581634202097222011-06-25T09:03:04.382-05:002011-06-25T09:03:04.382-05:00If you mean to split the black keys (distinguishin...If you mean to split the black keys (distinguishing between sharps and flats) and add extras at B-C and E-F, or some other physical modification, very few people have the means and know-how to do so, whether for an acoustic piano or a synthesizer. I'm certainly not about to attempt such a surgery on my Korg Triton. If I had the budget, I would definitely be interested in a specially-made instrument, or buying one and having it professionally modified.<br /><br />If, on the other hand, we're talking about selecting a 12-pitch subset of 19-EDO and tuning to those, I do that all the time! ;-)Jay Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175160982263070325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-11294997813848251292011-06-25T05:55:43.208-05:002011-06-25T05:55:43.208-05:00Yes there is, Re-key your halberstadt boards!!!!!Yes there is, Re-key your halberstadt boards!!!!!Ronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-78112921110090330142011-04-30T10:55:54.925-05:002011-04-30T10:55:54.925-05:00#477 in your catalog! ;-)
I really wish "Div...#477 in your catalog! ;-)<br /><br />I really wish "Divisions of the Tetrachord" wasn't out of print. I saw that Larry Polansky had scans of it online, and it was actually that and the Polychrome Triangular Graph ( http://sonic-arts.org/chalmers/diagrams.htm ) which inspired me to work out what I posted above. Thank you for your work!<br /><br />I've been informed that this sort of thing is the basis of Porcupine temperament, so that's yet another tuning I'm adding to the list of what I need to explore further. ;-)Jay Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175160982263070325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-79074039777510181292011-04-30T10:38:37.779-05:002011-04-30T10:38:37.779-05:00The Jankó layout was actually my own introduction ...The Jankó layout was actually my own introduction to the idea of different key systems. I agree it's a shame it never caught on!<br /><br />The layout I used as the example is the Harmonic Table, and the link I gave uses the Wicki-Hayden layout. There are also isomorphic layouts called Park and Gerhard that I haven't had the opportunity to play, though I think Gerhard looks very interesting.Jay Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175160982263070325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-66750627067119152592011-04-30T10:28:13.324-05:002011-04-30T10:28:13.324-05:00Indeed! I have seen a piano retuned to 17-EDO, and...Indeed! I have seen a piano retuned to 17-EDO, and I can make sense of it for one octave, because the upper C falls on what would have been the F above it, but the layouts of the octaves above and below would take a lot of getting used to. I've also seen YouTube videos of a 19-EDO piano with sticky notes on each of the keys. ;-)Jay Randomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175160982263070325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-57147802503892631832011-04-30T09:23:39.273-05:002011-04-30T09:23:39.273-05:00One can approximate this quite well in 11-limit
JI...One can approximate this quite well in 11-limit<br />JI by 11/10 x 11/10 x 400/363. Avicenna lists<br />12/11 x 12/11 x 121/108,13/12 x 13/12...14/13 x 14/13, etc. and Al-Farabi gives 10/9 x 10/9 x 27/25, I've been unable to trace this virtually ET tetrachord further. It sounds quite nice, though not as good, IMO, as Ptolemy's 12/11 x 11/10 x 10/9.John Chalmersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-35631789425284290742011-04-30T02:11:36.495-05:002011-04-30T02:11:36.495-05:00Personally, I find the Jankó layout to be the most...Personally, I find the Jankó layout to be the most practical for general use and piano performance. Though not as flexible with microtonal tunings, it was designed for the 12-tone system and carries all the learning benefits of any layouts designed since its creation. Alas, with the handful of janko pianos and even swappable standard/janko keyboards available, people didn't easily give up tradition for innovation and the same still seems to apply in the music world.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12959267586745690642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3973458659349895498.post-16173989960984053372011-04-30T01:37:29.857-05:002011-04-30T01:37:29.857-05:00At least the fingerboard layout is similar enough ...At least the fingerboard layout is similar enough to ease transitioning from 12-edo to 19-edo. For the keyboardist, there is no easy way to divide a prime number!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12959267586745690642noreply@blogger.com